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  • 16 Jul 2010

    RUMOUR UPDATE: Investigative reporter Panti Woodward-Bernstein-Lane-Bliss on the case

    With regard to my previous post about he possibility of the President referring the Civil Partnership Bill to the Supreme Court to test it's constitutionality, I decided to get my Lois Lane on and do some digging. I spoke to a number of people who are well placed to know what the lay of the land is.

    While none of my sources claim to know the President's mind, the general consensus is that the rumour has some credibility, and may not necessarily be a bad thing.

    The President has 7 days after receiving the bill to sign it, or refer it to the court, after having first convened and consulted with the Council Of State. It is thought that Mary got the bill on Wednesday, and she did not sign it immediately. However, as of time of writing (Friday afternoon) my mole in the Seanad tells me she has not convened the Council of State - though she still has time.

    Even if she does convene the council, she may simply decide to sign the bill after consulting with them, but if she does refer the bill, the court has 60 days to make a decision - still well within the expected timeframe for Civil Partnerships to start in Dec/Jan.

    Two of the people I spoke to believe that the President's concern - if indeed she has one - is most likely with the cohabitation part of the bill with regard to heterosexual couples, rather than with the civil partnership for gays section.

    So, if the President does refer the bill to the court, is this necessarily a bad a thing? No.

    It is well known that the right-wing are preparing to challenge the bill anyway, and are raising the money necessary to do so. If the bill were referred, and the court found that it is constitutional, this would have the effect of bullet-proofing the bill from a legal challenge, and do so before the anti-gay nuts have a chance to gather their greasy coppers together to mount a challenge.

    Anyway, as I said, Mary only has a few days left to sign the bill or refer it to the court, so we won't have long to wait to see what happens.

     

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    • Posted By Pidge 18 Jul 2010 00:44

      It takes a few days for the Bill to go to the President because she has to sign a proper, printed version. This takes time, and they proof-read it a few times to make sure that there are no errors. Just on one of the points raised there: if it is referred to the Supreme Court, and they uphold its constitutionality, that doesn't mean that the Oireachtas cannot amend it in future. It just makes the Bill not open to future legal challenge. This, incidentally, isn't a great part of the constitution, and the CRG has recommended that it be changed in future.

    • Posted By Mickers 17 Jul 2010 12:38

      I'm pretty sure that the whole of the bill has to be referred, but it is possible, if the SC so finds, to sever an offending section of the legislation from the rest of the bill and find the bill minus the offending section (be that the cohabiting rights and obligations section or whatever) to be compatible with the Constitution. in which case the approved sections are still bullet-proof.

    • Posted By Ross Golden-Bannon 17 Jul 2010 01:10

      If it goes to the Supreme Court and it gets sealed in stone it also means no positive changes can be made that might have helped the children of same sex couples excluded from the bill.

    • Posted By Ray Lee 16 Jul 2010 20:12

      Did anyone catch the nutters on Tv3 The Morning Show yesterday ? Thankfully Martin King backed that so called Christian Mom into a corner & as for the son omg .....hard to believe their kind still exist in a modern Ireland

      Link http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=24774

    • Posted By darkartsboi 16 Jul 2010 20:05

      rumour 1: a very senior counsel has been advised to not book any holidays and to keep some time free to handle this if it is referred. rumour 2: that it's the co-habitation element of the bill that may be causing the concern. Unknown if only one part of the bill can be referred.

    • Posted By Sean Reynolds 16 Jul 2010 20:03

      Interesting development. As much as I'd enjoy to watch Iona and their fellow tosspots p**s all their money away on futile challenges to the Bill, I do think a referral might, as you suggest, close off further challenges. Hopefully, McKechnie's SC appointment (am I right on that?) might help our cause if referral occurs.

    • Posted By Conor S 16 Jul 2010 18:16

      Does anyone know anything about who's on the Supreme Court? As in if some of them have a worldview that would meant they would be inclined to vote it down (ie are right wing nutjobs). The only people I know are Law students who only know/care about the legal crap and not if theyre, like, a bunch of right wingers!

    • Posted By Ger 16 Jul 2010 17:12

      Since it was passed by the Seanad on Thursday why did the President only receive it the following Wednesday?

    • Posted By Neil 16 Jul 2010 17:09

      Absolutely right - there are benefits to it being referred, but dangers also. Very hard to know which way she should go, but we'll know by the middle of next week either way...

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